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November 01, 2009, 05:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sunna Character Info Sunna 80 Blood Elf Warlock Altar of Storms US PvP Talent Spec: 1/13/57	Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub So people say it doesn't matter and some say it make a huge difference. They both seem to have their own advange but I am not sure which one is the right spec for this fight. Which spec would be best for Anub?

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November 01, 2009, 06:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Munky Character Info Callandor 80 Blood Elf Warlock Karazhan Euro PvP	Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub Apparently it's Demonology with Afflliction having a bit of a shout too: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay However, since I don't know how to play Demo I've just gone for Aff in this fight. Even though we haven't downed it yet (which I blame on only using ~25 attempts a week since we don't raid enough!) I'm putting up some nice numbers especially when the 4 adds are up, simply by putting Corruption on the adds then spamming Seed of Corruption on Anub. It should work especially well in phase 3, as Affliction DPS is second to none in this stage of a fight. The key thing for me is that of course you have lots of self-healing to Life Tap away, so you should never going oom. As destro I believe I would go oom in about 2 minutes without a life tap, and I don't want to risk it until our healers are much more confident regarding phase 3, maybe allowing me a sneaky life tap when I have Penetratign Cold or after a healthstone or something. So I would say Affliction is the 'play it safe' option compared to destro, though I really can't say for Demonology.

November 01, 2009, 06:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mizzory Character Info Mizzory 80 Undead Warlock Blackrock US PvP	Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub I honestly don't know. I've been affliction all my WoW life.

November 01, 2009, 06:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
lilsteele Character Info lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE	Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub lol... it seems to become a tradition for warlocks to switch specs for the last boss :D the numbers in that link are pretty clear

November 01, 2009, 06:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mizzory Character Info Mizzory 80 Undead Warlock Blackrock US PvP	Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub Pets felpuppy and drinks wine from a hollowed out skull I like RAWR!

November 01, 2009, 07:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jenren22 Character Info Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub Well this is 10man Hard mode Anub i'm going to talk about. I know it's not quite the same as there's less people but i can comment alot on the playstyle. Demo on Anub is only good if you plan what you are going to do when, to coincide with the phases. The way i do it is, i put my dots up on the boss, and a shadow bolt, then pop meta, charge and do immolation aura. Once it's over, i teleport back and start dpsing the adds that have spawned. I don't bother too much with meta in p2, too chaotic, too much running around. It helps to throw dots around on the little mobs. On p3, i popped my meta, charged again and went crazy. It helps. You really need to plan what you are going to do. Destro on anub is alot more simple. You dive in with dps at the start, you have heavy burst so don't have much run up. In p2 you can easily burst down the little adds. In p3 you consistently continue to nuke the boss. I was very easy. Demo i find gets alot more complex than destro the more complex the fight is. It is very interesting to play, however for the sake of the personal loss in dps and the fact you are only buffing two other casters and two healers, whether you use it or not depends entirely on your caster setup. In 25man, demo may be better due to more people to buff, however in order to compensate for the loss of personal dps, you need to try very hard. If you want a nice inbetween, go for affli. To be perfectly honest though, for the sake of an easy rotation and still yet high numbers, destro may suit you better. Demo is nice but i don't think it gets rewarded with good dps for the more effort you have to put in.

November 01, 2009, 08:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
lilsteele Character Info lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE	Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub Hmm Jenren, did you actually look at those dps numbers in the link that Munky posted? There is no dps loss for demo locks on Anub 25 hc. You get 4 adds instead of two, which means that you spend almost the whole fight AoEing a bunch of adds and the boss altogether, which makes demo an awesome spec for that fight. I've looked at a few reports that have more than one warlock for anub 25 hc, and the demo lock is higher on damage (and dps) in most cases.

November 01, 2009, 08:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
jesterlock Character Info Jesterlock 80 Gnome Warlock Quel'Thalas Euro PvE Guild: The Order of Azeroth Talent Spec: 3/15/53	Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub imo getting the boss down is more important than getting good numbers. what's the use of seeding the boss, since seed doesn't do damage to him, only the adds? i personaly go affliction for this fight. the dps is very important in p3, and we all know that affliction owns on mobs with <25% health. Survivability is also extremly important, having the leeching swarm tick on you + penetrating cold is a bitch, and the healing you get as affliction keeps you alive. if you're willing to experiment, use all specs on different visits to the boss, and look at damage done to anub only. demo might be nice to get big numbers, but the crappy mana regen and the danger of lifetaps during that fight make demo a liability. just my oppinion.

November 02, 2009, 09:54 AM

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Jenren22

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Jenerena
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Executus Euro PvP
Guild: Deliverance
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilsteele

Hmm Jenren, did you actually look at those dps numbers in the link that Munky posted?

There is no dps loss for demo locks on Anub 25 hc. You get 4 adds instead of two, which means that you spend almost the whole fight AoEing a bunch of adds and the boss altogether, which makes demo an awesome spec for that fight.

I've looked at a few reports that have more than one warlock for anub 25 hc, and the demo lock is higher on damage (and dps) in most cases.

I was purely talking from a playstyle point of view. Maybe i shouldn't have said a word then, since this thread is focused on 25man content.

Plus since there is apparently a way to get demo to do the dps that destro does on this fight, please say, as i had to switch to destro last night for the lack of dps. I had no mana in p3, i could not use meta in the second phase due to the timing of the phases and cooldowns and the little mobs were dead before my dots did any damage. It was painful, to be honest.

but again, those damage meters are from 25man. 10man heroic is obviously alot different.

Last edited by Jenren22; November 02, 2009 at 10:04 AM..

November 02, 2009, 11:11 AM

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Munky

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Callandor
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Karazhan Euro PvP

Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub

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Originally Posted by jesterlock

imo getting the boss down is more important than getting good numbers.

what's the use of seeding the boss, since seed doesn't do damage to him, only the adds?

i personaly go affliction for this fight. the dps is very important in p3, and we all know that affliction owns on mobs with <25% health. Survivability is also extremly important, having the leeching swarm tick on you + penetrating cold is a bitch, and the healing you get as affliction keeps you alive.

if you're willing to experiment, use all specs on different visits to the boss, and look at damage done to anub only. demo might be nice to get big numbers, but the crappy mana regen and the danger of lifetaps during that fight make demo a liability.

just my oppinion.

Again this is just specific to our guild, but at the moment we don't always get the adds all down before the next set, yet we seem to be on-target for Anub's HP. On top of that, the quicker the adds go down the more time there is for each member of the raid to single-target the boss before the next set. I don't see any other way to put up comparable numbers to what I suggested, and any video I have seen of this boss downed succefully people are always doing nice DPS. If it was the case that we downed the adds easily every time, but the boss was going to enrage, I would go Destro. But putting up nice numbers is our job as Warlocks!

I think it's even more important as Affliction to make sure you life-tap often so you are at low health contantly, otherwise your effective DPS will be very low since you'll be healing the boss for too much anyway.

Last edited by Munky; November 02, 2009 at 11:13 AM..

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