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November 02, 2009, 12:38 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
@Jenren There's obviously a difference between having 3 mobs to dps (anub + 2adds) or 5 mobs (anub + 4 adds), in terms of how effective AoE is vs. single target damage. Besides that, a 25 man raid can more easily compensate bringing 2-3 people that really only shine in P3, while a 10 man raid can not do this. And you have as many rights to write here as I do... after all I didn't see the 25 hc fight myself yet. I'm just drawing my conclusions from what other people here say and from what I see in those statistics. Those statistics also exist for 10 man btw, they have many destro locks in front  @jester what I was wondering is, wouldn't the affliction self-heal keep you too high on health? Or is it just fine with a few life taps? @topic There's people who say it can't be done without a demo lock, but others go and just do it. What jester suggested is very reasonable, namely to go and try. Also try to find what the weaknesses of your raid are, and see which spec will do better at improving them. |
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November 02, 2009, 04:34 PM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
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As to affliction vs demo. That might also partially be dependent on whether your team does a 1 add tank or 2 add tank strat. We down Anub using 2 add tanks and thus the 2 sets of adds have to be a certain distance apart. I think it would work for SoCing the boss, but then you have to be absolutely sure of the add placement. As Demo, I can move myself 5 years to the left or right to get myself in immolate aura position and also move my rain of fire circle. Given a 25man is going to have caster DPS, I think having at least one demo lock is going to be extremely helpful especially in ToC25 gear even if you had an ele shaman since the demonic pact uptime will be very high and outstrip totem of wrath. If you bring a 2nd lock in though, I guess if their dual spec was affliction that would work "OK" buffing Seed of Corr. But I suspect many groups dont take 2 locks into 25 Anub heroic because life tap is certainly an issue (for a first clear). Destro for sure is terrible for 25 man anub. The AOE is anemic, and since so much time is spent on AOE, it's a net loss even for direct boss damage for a destro lock. I suppose you could put the destro lock full time only on anub, but then that gimps other classes from having the AOE burnthe adds faster so everyone can be onthe boss sooner. It's usually better that everyone single targets the boss at the same time rather than having a destro lock do it because debuffs etc are ideally all up at the same time by the same classes. |
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November 02, 2009, 05:20 PM
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Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
Here is a video from Cuties Only from one of their 'locks perspective. He's running Affliction and during phase 3 only focuses on Anub. Previous phases he does just spam SoC to kill off the adds, but in phase 3 he just Drain Soul'd Anub. While this isn't going to be optimal or possible for all guilds, it is a viable option if you have the AoE dps to allow a few dps to focus on Anub. |
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November 02, 2009, 05:55 PM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
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So in P3 I can totally see the strat having to rely on drain soul execute essentially. |
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November 03, 2009, 06:01 AM
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Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
Destro is just bad imo, no raid buffs, mediocre single target dps below 30% as other classes have exectue abilities and mediocre aoe. Affliction has good aoe and good execute dps BUT massive self healing, which results in life leech healing anub a LOT more compared to other dps classes, wihch you have to substract from your dps again. The best spec is easily demon, great aoe, kiting phases mean meta is up a lot more during actual anub dps phases then in normal tank and spank encounters, immolation aura is nuts, demon aoe is the best warlock and the 5% crit buff plus spellpower raid buff don't hurt either. If there's multiple locks in the raid, imo all should be demon, even though the raid buff part is not valid any more. But overall dps is just better then the other two specs. |
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November 05, 2009, 01:26 PM
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Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
Demo is easily the choice spec for 25man. For 10 man it should be irrelevant what your spec is since the difficulty of the encounter drops tremendously. That being said in 10 man demo will lose some of it relevancy due to there being two less adds. I'm doing in the low 8k ish range in our 25 man kills and during a meta aoe phase pulling well over 10k. With demo you can basically pop meta every other set of adds since you'll have two sets then a kite phase. So your meta should be up for the first set of adds each time he comses back up and its usually up again for the second set of adds once he's below 30%. For the second set of adds each turn our ranged totally ignores those adds until he submerges so we can get more dps on the boss. We use one pally with a full block set for adds. Basically just pop meta, immo, then after 1 maybe two rains adds are dead. Mana is the biggest issue in demo spec and you just need to make sure you tap back to full everytime right before he reimurges and right before he hits 30%. We also have healers top us off in phase 3 should we get mana starved so we can tap freely without danger. |
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November 06, 2009, 08:38 AM
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Callandor 80 Blood Elf Warlock Karazhan Euro PvP |
Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
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November 06, 2009, 09:31 AM
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Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
For heroic Anub 25 demo is the strogest spec as it has the strongest aoe. Afflcition is close for similar reasons dot and and seed. I spec demo for heroic anub purley based on its aoe strength (and cos aoe is really important for anub)... as well as this it allows your ele shamans to drop aoe totems also and increases dps,healing and healing done by spells such as judgement of light/vamp embrace... for interests sake heres the records and specs for toc for locks can read it break it down w/e lol WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay |
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November 06, 2009, 09:56 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
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With that said, I suspect that you are right, SoC will have a large enough radius to more than compensate and still hit all sets of mobs. |
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November 09, 2009, 12:22 PM
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shdwboxn 80 Undead Warlock daggerspine US PvP Guild: Skeletor Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Destr vs Demon for H ToC 25 man anub
We still have yet to down anub on 25 heroic. I respecced demo for the fight last night and was pleasantly surprised I was near the top of the charts. Anyway, my question is I took 3/3 MC and left 2/3 in imp. demonic tactics. Is that just a stupid choice in regards to DP uptime? here is a WoL World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis DP uptime is low, but take it with a grain of salt, considering I would use fel domination in the air and summon my FG as soon as I hit the water, yet my master demonologist uptime is just under 50%. PS also is it worth it to cleave when AoEing the 4 adds+anub? or just pop immolation and continue to RoF. I didnt use cleave at all. |
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