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Originally Posted by Teon

You won't need mastery until 85 so it doesn't really matter, and is 2 spirit items such a big deal? Cara will be out and all gear will be replaced by 81-83 anyway.

Originally Posted by Teon

Because you won't have enough of the stat to make a difference while you could reforge the spirit into haste, however, while not having the information on the material cost to reforge a stat(there is always a cost to a gain). I personally couldn't see how 2 items could effect your performance.

On a side note, my guild has 3 paladin tanks, 2 prot warriors and 2 feral druids on the PTR and they are all commenting on how bad tank threat is and the liberal use of Taunts just to keep 1 of the mobs on the tank and not the DPS.

Originally Posted by Teon

Because you won't have enough of the stat to make a difference while you could reforge the spirit into haste, however, while not having the information on the material cost to reforge a stat(there is always a cost to a gain). I personally couldn't see how 2 items could effect your performance.

On a side note, my guild has 3 paladin tanks, 2 prot warriors and 2 feral druids on the PTR and they are all commenting on how bad tank threat is and the liberal use of Taunts just to keep 1 of the mobs on the tank and not the DPS.

Originally Posted by dyson

Well, it's great that you guys are anecdotally "happy" with mastery, but I don't really see anything that would say point-for-point whether mastery is better than haste or crit and by how much.

If I know mastery is worth 2x haste, then I know I will be pretty happy reforging my spirit and leaving it at that. But if mastery is worse than haste, I may as well accumulate mastery where I can, but not reforge for it, and instead reforge for haste if I am stuck with my items.

I know simcraft for 4.0 isn't out yet, so we don't know the stat weights from that perspective, but I was hoping someone had given some thought about mastery versus other things.

I suspect mastery is very close to haste. Here is my reasoning (correct my assumptions if I am wrong please).

Using Destro Mastery as the base case (it's the easier to understand the impact of mastery since nearly 100% of destro damage is fire). By default in the destro tree you get 11% fire damage boost from mastery and for every full % (or whatever the unit is) of mastery, you get 1.25% damage boost.

It takes about 33 haste points to get 1% haste rating. To get the same benefit from mastery, you would need enough mastery to increase DPS by 1%.

It seems on PTR, it takes about 46 mastery points on gear to equal 1 mastery rating. From that perspective, haste would seem better point for point. Except that 1 mastery rating isn't really 1% DPS, it's 1.25% DPS. So if we look at it that way, it takes more like 37 mastery points to up the mastery enough on destro to increase DPS by 1%.

37 mastery points > 33 haste points to reach potentially a similar DPS gain.

So I am not really sure that mastery is worth more than haste.

Now with Spriests and their fancy procs and stuff like that. Or Demonology where you can control when you use the meta cooldown to overlay that with pots and procs and heroism, perhaps mastery would possibly be worth more. I don't know, but at this stage I am not sure mastery is better than haste.

But on the other hand, I am thinking mastery is better than the stat weight of Crit in 3.3 since crit is so undervalued in 3.3. If it continues to remain that undervalued compared to haste, then I suspect it will be worth reforging crit to mastery (and certainly spirit).

Anyone have any more thoughts on this that could help guide whether the stat weighting of mastery is better, worse, or the same as haste or crit in 4.0?

Thanks,
Dyson

Originally Posted by Teon

Because you won't have enough of the stat to make a difference while you could reforge the spirit into haste, however, while not having the information on the material cost to reforge a stat(there is always a cost to a gain). I personally couldn't see how 2 items could effect your performance.

On a side note, my guild has 3 paladin tanks, 2 prot warriors and 2 feral druids on the PTR and they are all commenting on how bad tank threat is and the liberal use of Taunts just to keep 1 of the mobs on the tank and not the DPS.