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Old October 12, 2010, 07:05 AM   #1 (permalink)

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4.0 Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

Alright, so speaking as a warlock still at level 80, looking to maximize DPS, which is the better buy for the last two points of this destro spec?

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So yeah, any suggestions on the final two points? And of course, the reasons why.
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Old October 12, 2010, 09:50 AM   #2 (permalink)

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3.3 Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

Improved Life Tap over Doom and Gloom

Reason: "Only one Bane per Warlock can be active on any one target"
edit: Assuming Bane of Havoc still deals 15% additional damage if it is on the target you are attacking. I noticed they changed to wording to "other targets".
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Old October 12, 2010, 11:30 AM   #3 (permalink)

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3.3 Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

Doom and Gloom all the way. You're a mana battery as destro with Soul Leech. You will very rarely Life Tap. Bane of Havoc does NOT deal additional damage to the target it's on, so you'll be using BoD (or maybe BoA on adds?) on at least one target in every boss fight. ILT does nothing for your dps. D&G does something. Thus, it's better for overall dps, which is what the OP asked for.

Notably, however, at least at 80, EJ is finding that putting those two points in Improved Corruption is the way to go, as they're finding that 2/3 talented corruption is a bigger dps boost than the 8% crit to Banes that D&G gives you.

Obviously, this is all moot at 85, but for now, I'd take a hard look at Improved Corruption, with D&G the obvious second choice, before I even considered ILT for my last 2 points.
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Old October 12, 2010, 01:33 PM   #4 (permalink)

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3.3 Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

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Improved Life Tap over Doom and Gloom

Reason: "Only one Bane per Warlock can be active on any one target"
edit: Assuming Bane of Havoc still deals 15% additional damage if it is on the target you are attacking. I noticed they changed to wording to "other targets".


I think you're looking at the wrong words here.

"Only one target can have Bane of Havoc at a time..." meaning only one warlock need to put Bane of Havoc (the new "CoE") on the target otherwise you and other warlocks can put Bane of Doom (or Agony) on the target.

IMO, put the 2/2 in Doom and Gloom over Life Tap. Increase critical strike chance by 8%, that's a pretty big margin. You already have Soul Leech also... so no need to put it in Life Tap.
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Old October 12, 2010, 01:47 PM   #5 (permalink)

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3.3 Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

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I think you're looking at the wrong words here.

"Only one target can have Bane of Havoc at a time..." meaning only one warlock need to put Bane of Havoc (the new "CoE") on the target otherwise you and other warlocks can put Bane of Doom (or Agony) on the target.

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I am not sure what you mean. Bane of Havoc only works for the warlock that cast it. So if you have two destro locks in a raid and they both want Bane of Havoc for themselves, they will both have to cast it so their respective add damage can apply to the BoH target.
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Old October 12, 2010, 02:08 PM   #6 (permalink)

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3.3 Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

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I am not sure what you mean. Bane of Havoc only works for the warlock that cast it. So if you have two destro locks in a raid and they both want Bane of Havoc for themselves, they will both have to cast it so their respective add damage can apply to the BoH target.
^ This.

BoH is awesome in fights with adds for allowing you to damage multiple targets at once. Think of it like destro's version of Soul Swap, another really cool damage-spreading talent. Also, with the new talent Jinx, if you raid with an affliction lock they should be on CoE duty since their CoE will apply to all targets within 40 yards. This is awesome for trash and boss fights alike.
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Old October 12, 2010, 02:37 PM   #7 (permalink)

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3.3 Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

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I am not sure what you mean. Bane of Havoc only works for the warlock that cast it. So if you have two destro locks in a raid and they both want Bane of Havoc for themselves, they will both have to cast it so their respective add damage can apply to the BoH target.

Well:

"Only one target can have Bane of Havoc at a time, and only one Bane per Warlock can be active on any one target."

One bane per warlock, but one bane of havoc at a time.


That's how I read it. Am I crazy?
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Old October 12, 2010, 02:44 PM   #8 (permalink)

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Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

No, the one BoH restriction means you cannot take a fight with 3 adds and bane all 3 adds and have your damage to one add multiply to all the others. Thu, a single warlock has to chose which mob to have BoH on.

However, multiple warlocks can all chose to place their singly allowed BoH on the same mob.
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Old October 12, 2010, 02:48 PM   #9 (permalink)

3.3 Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

Destro Locks will be doing Bane of Havoc, Affliction will be doing Bane of Agony, Bane of Doom will be left for Demo. However, in the case of a fight containing only 1 mob, Destro can go to either BoD or BoA depending on fight duration.

Any warlock can cast CoE, however Affliction should be on cast priority due to jinx.

Think of the new Banes like Priest Devouring Plague.

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Old October 12, 2010, 02:56 PM   #10 (permalink)

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Re: Doom and Gloom vs Improved Life Tap

"Only one target can have Bane of Havoc at a time, and only one Bane per Warlock can be active on any one target."

What it means is a target can still only have one Bane, meaning Bane of Agony + Bane of Havoc on the same target is not possible. It also means that you can have only one Bane of Havoc up. (You cannot put Bane of Havoc on two or more targets at the same time).

Bane of Havoc was an extended CoE a while back as it did damage regardless of who you were attacking. If that were still the case, 2 points in Doom and Gloom would've been pretty much useless. :P
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