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December 30, 2010, 06:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
Diev Character Info Meyera 80 Human Warlock Bloodhoof Euro PvE Guild: Phalanx Core Profile: Blizzard Armory	DOTs & spell priorities (destro) What with all the changes and everything, I'm just not sure anymore: DOTs' ticks - do they retain the same haste, crit and SP that you had when you cast 'em, or is it rechecked for every tick? I'd imagine they keep the same as it wouldn't exactly work otherwise, but just wanna make sure. (Talking destro) If they do, assuming nobody else is providing the ISB buff (I forget who the somebody else who can provide it is, but nvm that... Frost mage? shrugs), should we cast SB after ISF for the buff (or debuff, actually), so it applies to the immolate as well? Also...what do you use on trash? Corr is prioritized over CB n incin, but how much HP (or rather how much does a mob have to live) for it to actually be better? 'cause even on bosses and with the talent it doesn't represent much of the %damage and it's tempting me to take the points from imp corr n take life tap instead so I can take jinx while also solving some of my mana issues. Thoughts? __________________ Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

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January 02, 2011, 12:32 AM

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clavarnway

Character Info
Democles
85 Goblin Warlock
Sen'jin US PvE
Guild: Big Crits
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Destruction

Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro)

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Originally Posted by Diev

DOTs' ticks - do they retain the same haste, crit and SP that you had when you cast 'em, or is it rechecked for every tick? I'd imagine they keep the same as it wouldn't exactly work otherwise, but just wanna make sure.

DoT's retain their sp/haste/crit when they are cast, until they are refreshed. If you put up a Corruption with 40% crit and 40% haste, but lost buffs so that you only had 20% crit and 20% haste, next time you refresh Corruption either through Everlasting Affliction or hard casting it, the Corruption drops down to 20%/20%. But if you lose the buffs, the Corruption already on the mobs will continue to be 40%/40%, until it is refreshed.

Think of the Corruption as something you throw at the enemy - that Corruption is an item, a whole entity - changes that happen to you after you send it on it's mission won't change what it was when you sent it. However when you refresh it, the game considers that sending a new item.

This works differently for debuffs on the mob, however - if a Corruption is ticking on a mob, and it was 20% crit, and you then apply a 5% crit debuff to the mob, it will become a 25% crit Corruption on the next tick. This is because it's not part of the package that was sent when the Warlock sent he Corruption spell - it's a debuff on the mob, and it checks every tick.

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If they do, assuming nobody else is providing the ISB buff (I forget who the somebody else who can provide it is, but nvm that... Frost mage? *shrugs*), should we cast SB after ISF for the buff (or debuff, actually), so it applies to the immolate as well?

You want to get ISB up asap, so it affects all your spells. The 5% crit is put up after you get our other spells online, since it will affect your spells after they are already up.

Incidentally, the above is why you should be careful when you use the Felhunter portion of Demon Soul - any DoT's that are already on the enemy won't receive the 20% additional damage until you refresh them, since it's a buff on yourself.

Last edited by clavarnway; January 02, 2011 at 12:37 AM..

January 02, 2011, 02:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Diev Character Info Meyera 80 Human Warlock Bloodhoof Euro PvE Guild: Phalanx Core Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro) That makes sense, thanks. __________________ Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

January 02, 2011, 03:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
Samdi Character Info Flauber 80 Gnome Warlock US PvE	Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro) What about Immolate refreshing through Fel flame? The tooltip suggest that the immolate is Extended, so does this means that it follows the "refresh" rules? So let's say that i Power pop all my trinkets and potions at the beggining of the fight, throw a immolate and refresh it with fel flame, will it keep the empowered stats? Sorry for grammar mistakes, english is not my first language.

January 02, 2011, 07:24 PM

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clavarnway

Character Info
Democles
85 Goblin Warlock
Sen'jin US PvE
Guild: Big Crits
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Destruction

Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro)

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Originally Posted by Samdi

What about Immolate refreshing through Fel flame?
The tooltip suggest that the immolate is Extended, so does this means that it follows the "refresh" rules?
So let's say that i Power pop all my trinkets and potions at the beggining of the fight, throw a immolate and refresh it with fel flame, will it keep the empowered stats?

Sorry for grammar mistakes, english is not my first language.

I'm not sure how Fel Flame works to be honest, I don't use it very much yet. When I have time I will test it, shouldn't be hard - just get a temporary buff, Immolate a target dummy, let buff fall off, refresh Immolate with Fel Flame, and see what Immolate ticks for. If it's the same, then Fel Flame is very important all of a sudden for keeping a strong Immolate/UA. If not...

UPDATE: I tested it, Fel Flame refreshes the duration of the buff + adds 6 seconds, so it resets the DoT to the stats you have when you cast Fel Flame. So casting Fel Flame and refreshing Immolate when you lose a buff, while the Immolate that's up on the boss was cast when you did have a buff, would actually be a DPS loss big time.

January 02, 2011, 10:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
King Crab Character Info Satalitetv 85 Blood Elf Warlock Ravencrest US PvE Guild: Relic Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction	Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro) that's because refreshes don't work like they did in Wrath of the Lich King (back when you would use NMIC to roll crit on corruption the whole fight). Whenever you refresh a DoT all the buffs on you at the time are rechecked just like when you recast it. Any debuffs on the mob will be checked on a per-tick basis I believe, though.

January 02, 2011, 10:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
clavarnway Character Info Democles 85 Goblin Warlock Sen'jin US PvE Guild: Big Crits Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction	Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro) ...which is exactly what I said in my first post. :P I was checking to see if Fel Flame worked like a refresh, or was a special case, due to it's wording : "increases the duration of".

January 03, 2011, 01:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
Urkanos Character Info Urkanos 80 Orc Warlock Ahn'Qiraj Euro PvP Guild: Tainted Blood Profile: Talent Tree: Destruction	Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro) Do not use Fel Flame to refresh immolate. Re-casting immolate is a must, i only spam fel flame when i need to keep moving during an encounter just so that im doing some damage at least.

January 03, 2011, 04:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Razeth Character Info Barathesh 85 Blood Elf Warlock Steamwheedle Cartel Euro RP Guild: Death Dragoons Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Demonology	Re: DOTs & spell priorities (destro) Thats why I love being a demo lock, HoG ftw

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