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Old February 10, 2012, 02:38 AM   #101 (permalink)

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Sacredreich
85 Goblin Warlock
Eredar US PvP
Guild: Final Empire
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Demonology
4.0 Re: Destruction: Advanced DPS Tactics

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I try very hard to keep my Improved Soul Fire buff up, but i have to admit, sometimes it's hard to keep my eye on it. i like to play with as few add's running around my screen as i have too. I'm also not real great at configuring them. can any one suggest a simple add for just watching the Improved Soul Fire buff, or is the one suggested in the OP the simplest one to use?. I currently only have button-timers along with the usual standards, i top or keep up nicely with the meters. But i would like to do better with the Improved Soul Fire buff
ISF is a 20 second buff now, and since it can be refreshed is a snap to keep up. What do you use to track your dots? Keep the timer around there. Tellmewhen is a great addon for this. Type in the name of the spell, buff, cd, and it will give you a list with your buff on there. Power auras is great too. I would suggest learning how to configure those kinds of addons for now and for the future. Things will be changing in MoP, and with that, new cd's and such to track. But it's always good. Especially power auras. You can track almost anything, and get great alerts.
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Old February 11, 2012, 11:29 AM   #102 (permalink)

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Belisak
85 Human Warlock
steamwheedle cartel US RP Guild: Light Brigade
Re: Destruction: Advanced DPS Tactics

i was doing 25k+ dps as demo, but i dont really like it that much, i've seen other warlocks as destro smoke me, and i've got better gear. as destro im under 20k, usually around 16k
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Old February 12, 2012, 01:30 PM   #103 (permalink)
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85 Human Warlock
Terokkar Euro Guild: Jane Doe
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Affliction
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i was doing 25k+ dps as demo, but i dont really like it that much, i've seen other warlocks as destro smoke me, and i've got better gear. as destro im under 20k, usually around 16k
Really important to keep ISF, Immolate and Curruption up. Try to time refreshing of dots properly. I normally start refreshing Immo when there is 2 secs left and Corruption as close as possible at 1 sec. ISF refreshing depends a bit. I normally start casting when cca 3 sec left if soulburn is on CD. If Immolate needs refreshing at around same time - i prioritize Immolate.
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Old February 13, 2012, 11:33 AM   #104 (permalink)

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Stheno
85 Human Warlock
Drenden US PvE
Guild: Resistance is Futile
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Affliction
Re: Destruction: Advanced DPS Tactics

A lot of good info here. I lvled back in the day as Demo and have played Affliction once I hit 80 in LK. I have never once played destro, but figured I'd give it a shot finally. I really have no idea where to even start. Gonna scour EJ and here all day at work.
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Old February 14, 2012, 03:47 AM   #105 (permalink)

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marcevil
85 Undead Warlock
skywall US PvE
Guild: paranormal
Talent Tree: Destruction
Re: Destruction: Advanced DPS Tactics

I am leveling a 2nd lock in destro cuase I leveled mostly in aff and have trouble some times with getting used to destro still and it is helping me with my 85 lock more but that's just me youtube is quicker for some but I am wanting to familiarize myself with every new spell as I level and I ruffly doubled my pve dps in about 2 weeks with only upgrading 2 pieces of gear on my pve set. But do what works for you but don't be afraid to experiment in the name of better play and dps.
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Old February 14, 2012, 08:33 AM   #106 (permalink)

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Scathbais
90 Undead Warlock
Mal'Ganis US PvP
Guild: Adult Swim
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Affliction Destruction
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A lot of good info here. I lvled back in the day as Demo and have played Affliction once I hit 80 in LK. I have never once played destro, but figured I'd give it a shot finally. I really have no idea where to even start. Gonna scour EJ and here all day at work.
EJ is a good place to start.

Your secondary stat priorities are haste>crit>mastery. Once you get to raid level gear it switches to haste>mastery>crit

The basic destro rotation revolves around a few mechanics.
1) Soul Fire gives you an 8% Spell Power buff for 20 seconds (via Improved Sou Fire - ISF), so lead with a soul burned soul fire and use soul burn soul fire on cool down. Make a power aura (or similar utility) to let you know how much time you have left on ISF buff. Your empowered imp talent also gives you a 4% chance for an insta cast Soul Fire. Otherwise you are hard casting Soul Fire every 20 seconds.
2) Immolate is your primary dot and is your next highest priority.
3) Conflag is an instant cast nuke on a CD that only works when immolate is up (the more dot ticks of immolate you have, the stronger Conflag hits. That is what makes haste so important to destro)
4) you will also put up Corruption and Bane of Doom as usual to any Warlock spec.
5) when in melee range, use shadowflame
6) Conflag (via Backdraft) empowers your next 3 chaos bolts or incinerates. So after you conflag (as long as 1-5 are all already on target or on cool down) use chaos bolt and then spam incinerate until one of the above priorities need to be reapplied.
6) under 20% enemy health use Shadowburn before Chaos Bolt or Incin Spam.
7) Incinerate is your filler if nothing else can be done.

I macro demon soul to Conflag and in general suggest using Doomguard during the blood lust phase after you have used your potion.

There are other issues such as what to do with recasting dots under blood lust or if you get a haste trinket proc. Also issues related to what situations to use Bane of Havoc and best methods for AoE, but this is your basic Destro spell priority list.

[Edit: glyphs - Imp, immolate, and incinerate. Also recommended but not mandatory, sould stone, healthstone, Soul link and drain soul (in case you run out of soul shards and adds are available to drain).]

These you can research on EJ or in other posts her.

Good luck
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Old February 14, 2012, 12:26 PM   #107 (permalink)

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Stheno
85 Human Warlock
Drenden US PvE
Guild: Resistance is Futile
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Affliction
Re: Destruction: Advanced DPS Tactics

That's the general gist I got from EJ and talking to a guildie. I just need to work on placement of spells on my action bar where I feel comfortable. Thanks!
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Old February 14, 2012, 08:10 PM   #108 (permalink)

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Mogarth
85 Undead Warlock
Destromath US PvP
Guild: Deviant Souls
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Destruction
Re: Destruction: Advanced DPS Tactics

@ scathbias- all good info, but EJ ranks g/o Conflag > g/o Incinerate.

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Old February 14, 2012, 08:15 PM   #109 (permalink)

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Curzalok
85 Undead Warlock
Cho'gall US PvP
Guild: Chain Reaction
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Affliction
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[Edit: glyphs - Imp, immolate, and incinerate.
Imp, immolate, and conflagrate, not incinerate.

EJ, noxxic, every top destro player I can find (like this one), and my own personal sims show this to be the case.
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Old February 15, 2012, 10:18 AM   #110 (permalink)

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Scathbais
90 Undead Warlock
Mal'Ganis US PvP
Guild: Adult Swim
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Affliction Destruction
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Imp, immolate, and conflagrate, not incinerate.

EJ, noxxic, every top destro player I can find (like this one), and my own personal sims show this to be the case.
Lol, I should learn to look at my own glyphs before posting. Good catch both of you.
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