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January 22, 2011, 11:06 AM
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Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
Hello, I'm interested in besting my damage output. My usual rotation is 1. immolate 2. CoE 3. conflagrate 4. chaos bolt 5/6 (optional) corruption and agony On the bosses I usually use bane of havoc and click incinerate faster. I get from 8-9k dps and it annoys me greatly. My gear average is 346 and I think getting beaten in dps by people with 333 equipped is a shame. I read this thread and have two questions: what the heck is ISP and how to make a macro with conflagrate and demon soul? All the help will be appreciated. evik |
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January 22, 2011, 02:09 PM
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Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
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Well....bane of doom > bane of agony on fights where you don't need to switch too much, and when you do switch, apply bane of doom before doing so. ISP is a typo. I'm pretty sure its ISF which stands for improved soul fire. Its the haste buff you get from casting soulfire if you're specced into the ISF talent (which you should be). Macro with conflagrate and demon soul /cast Demon Soul /cast Conflagrate That's pretty much the simplest you can get. Rotation should be more along the lines of CoE Soulfire Bane of Dooom Immolate Conflagrate Corruption Chaos bolt Incinerate spam until refreshing a dot, or a spell comes off cd That's just the rotation. If you want your dps to go up even more, go to EJ and find the priority based rotation (pretty similar to the rotation I said) and learn it. I'd list it out myself, but I'm running late for a lunch with my friends |
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January 22, 2011, 11:29 PM
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Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
Offtopic: Im assuming you are Greek and i have the same name as you :P Ontopic: I Had the same problem as you but just remember to keep your stuff up and you'll be fine. Corruption is also something that most destro locks overlook. Just by having that up you can increase dps.
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January 23, 2011, 09:01 AM
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Azhrarn 85 Undead Warlock Skullcrusher Euro PvE PvP Guild: Instant Glory Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
I use the add-on Speedy Actions. Simple addon, all this does is speeds up triggering actions by making them happen when you press a key or press your mouse rather than releasing them. It could improve speed on some spells, try it out and see what impact it has on your DPS.
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January 23, 2011, 11:34 AM
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Hellheimer 85 Goblin Warlock SkullCrusher US PvP Guild: Legion Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
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Yet I already have. I'm not ignoring what you're saying though simply storing it for later. My immolate tends to crit regularly enough and the reason behind Corruption resulting in 10% of your damage is obvious I would assume to you and I both. The fact that it is a DoT and the only CD it serves is its global one opposed to Chaos Bolt which has a CD of it's own and is direct damage. A DoT ticking for lets say 12k (Corruption) over 18 seconds is 12k/(18/3)= 2k (DoT ticks are rougly every 3 seconds if I recall so 18/3=6 ticks for 1 tick every 3 seconds. 12k/6=2k) Cool Down for Chaos Bolt is 12 seconds I believe and deals on average for me 8-12k and on crit does 16-24k. lets make the values equal so my chaos bolt will hit for 12k same as the full duration/ fall off of Corruption. 12k in 2 seconds+Travel time. Steady 12k every 12 seconds+cast and travel time so let us say 15 seconds. 300 seconds in a 5 minute fight/ 12k damage being sent out every 15 seconds meaning I get 20 Chaos Bolts off so roughly 240,000/300= 800DPS vs 12k over 18 seconds. A steady 2k every 3 seconds over 18 seconds +1 second GCD to refresh+ inital 3 second tick so 4 seconds in between application thus every 22 seconds you are technically continuing to do damage with Corruption. You can apply 13.63 (14) Corruptions in a 5 minute fight. So 14x12000= 168,000 damage. 168000/300= 560DPS This is in an ideal situation where you can properly fire off a chaos bolt and or refresh Corruption regularly. A Patchwerk fight I suppose where it's a pure nukefest. Corruption being an Instant Cast DoT it will acount for a majority of your damage because it is by far the easier spell to refresh during combat vs a hard cast spell (even with backdraft up) such as Chaos Bolt. However in a five minute fight where you are properly able to sustain a rotation it would appear that Chaos Bolt will account for more damage. This does not include pushing your haste cap to sustain an extra tick and my math may be off. The fact that Corruption results in 5% MORE of your total damage does not mean it is a benefit to your DPS. Damage Per Second. I know multiple other factors were ignored such as crits/misses/resitances/use of blood lust or heroism etc. It was merely a mathematical expression of how Corruption provides less DPS than Chaosbolt but it's damage is steadier and easier to maintain. I also understand that TOTAL damage> Damage Per Second. But as I stated I am pulling between 9-12k DPS in heroics and 10-12k in Raids. Without the use of corruption. With this DPS amount I am also contributing to 3million+ of the total damage done to a 10 man raid boss. Top 3 Damage/DPS thus far every raid I've been in. My gear isn't the best and I've still got to regem now that I'm hit capped through reforging. So I hope to see between 11-14k DPS soon once I get a bit more epics under my belt. I could have written all this for nothing and be completely wrong in which case I suppose I will need to concede to Bezoar. But if I'm not wrong then woo? Last edited by Hellheimer; January 23, 2011 at 03:36 PM.. |
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January 23, 2011, 03:50 PM
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Democles 85 Goblin Warlock Sen'jin US PvE Guild: Big Crits Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
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To put it blunt, you're wrong. When you take into account that Corruption takes 1 global cooldown to put up, it does ALOT more damage than Chaos Bolt. Yes, on a Patchwerk right. But really..why are we comparing it to Chaos Bolt? You never cast Corruption instead of Chaos Bolt...you should be using both. Instead you should be comparing Corruption to Incinerate, since that's our filler spell - if you were not to cast Corruption, you would cast that instead. You should download Simcraft so you can test these things for yourself, or go to a target dummy and get a good timer to keep up your DoT's, you'll see. I don't know how to force Simcraft to import your secondary talents (currently your primary talent looks like something besides PVE, since it doesn't have Chaos Bolt). So I'm using myself as the import source, but we have similar enough gear that it shouldn't affect the result too much. To fully answer this question, you have to understand what DPET is. Damage Per Execute Time - Average damage per execute time of an individual action; the amount of damage generated, divided by the time taken to execute the action, including time spent in the GCD. This is the most important thing to understand when dealing with DoT's. It only takes you 1 GCD to put up a Corruption, but you have to look at how much damage that Corruption does. In my case, Corruption does average of 22,078 damage over the course of the DoT. And it only takes 1 GCD to put up. Now let's look at Incinerate. I say this because it's the filler spell, so if you forgo Corruption, instead you would cast Incinerate. Incinerate has a DPET of 9,808. So Corruption does about 225% more damage than if you were to cast an Incinerate instead. It takes 18 seconds to do that damage, true, but it only took 1 GCD to cast, which is what's important. Of course, this is on bosses - on trash that won't last the 18 seconds, you may not want to cast Corruption! You really should download Simcraft, it's a very powerful program for checking how you should be doing on DPS, and seeing where you can tighten up your rotation. Last edited by clavarnway; January 23, 2011 at 03:52 PM.. |
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January 23, 2011, 05:31 PM
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Hellheimer 85 Goblin Warlock SkullCrusher US PvP Guild: Legion Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
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And this is why I put at the bottom if I'm wrong than I concede. And yes the current spec is my PVP spec if you also looked at my gear..What little pvp gear I have  haha. You could see that I'm wearing some base PVP gear. (Literally started doing arenas yesterday haha and I'm trying out a different destro spec. Currently CBs tooltip and or in game ability (negating an absorbtion affect from an absorbtion bubble) seems to be bugged or broken so I dropped it from my talents and thus far it's been alright. I appreciate your comment and explanation the "And this is why you fail" yodamote not so much. I'm not a simcrafter my min/maxxing is through feel and experience not through simulation. I don't doubt it's usefulness just like any other tool (such as addons) it is meant to benefit the player. I've got a lot of work ahead of me when it comes to gearing currently when in my PVE gear I'm 350 ilvl. Cata is a different experience than Wrath and I look forward to fighting tooth and nail to down all the content available to me. It's also through what I know or read everyones simcrafts are different and I've found a niche with my rotation. I can always go respec and run some heroics to see how Corruption affects my playstly e and rotation. Or simply wail on a trainging dummy and see how a Patchwerk style fight with the different rotation would affect my DPS. I'm not gonna really worry about it right now though because I've found a groove. I mean if you were in my shoes and your place on the meters during a raid was jumping between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd with people in equivelent or better gear would you really be worried that you are or arent using corruption? IDK all falls back to "To each their own" you've given me something to think about and try out hence the reason I stated to the original person "I'm not ignoring what you're saying Im keeping it for later" it wasn't sarcasm. I went through the math and my variables of comparison were improper. As you stated Corruption vs Incinerate would be a fiarer comparison but even that wouldnt be as fair a comparison. Simply because corruption doesnt over-right anything in destro's roation and neither does Incinerate nor does Incinerate refresh anything. If the compariosn had been more equal like Bane of Agony vs Bane of Doom that'd be far easier to compare their DPETs. My concept or idea was Corruption would be a DPS loss but over all damage gain. Granted i'm no math wizard...Or math warlock for that matter heh. I'll give it a shot though I'm not opposed to doing better. |
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January 23, 2011, 05:34 PM
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Democles 85 Goblin Warlock Sen'jin US PvE Guild: Big Crits Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
I was just joking with the Yoda thing 
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January 27, 2011, 05:40 AM
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Wiccan 85 Human Warlock trollbane Euro PvP Guild: Stormriders Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
All this simulationcraft and everything may be a little usefull, still it's all about doing it right in fights. And all the fights differ from eachother. I found for raiding and boss fights the following rotation is the easiest and has a relative high dps flow, however it may not be on top of recount, but you should do 12k dps on bosses easily in blue heroic gear. Coe > BoD > Soulburn+soulfire > if you are a clicker put these 2 together on your bar. Immolate + Corruption > performed wel, you can cast these almost simultaniously. Conflagrate ChaosBolt Incinerate x 4 Note: whenever soulfire procs hit it! After this you can either choose to use felflame to refresh your immolate on the target and continue with Conflagrate.However I refresh the immolate cause it gives me more time to move around. This is as simple as it gets , and I hope it has been of help to someone. NOTE: dont forget on bloodlust,heroism,timewarps to keep Doom active and summon your doomguard. Recommended addons for this : Quartz
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January 27, 2011, 10:20 AM
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Büyüharamdir 85 Undead Warlock Azuremyst Euro PvE PvP |
Re: Destruction - Simplify Rotation - DPS Increase
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1)Wheres curse of Elements ? 2)you must macro soulburn and soulfire in to one thing 3) you must spam the conflagrate key(if not on CD) after immolate, then use a chaos bolt and then 2 incenerates 4) you must use a Shadow Bolt for for "Shadow and Flame"(gives %5 crit) every 30 seconds 5)you should macro the demon soul into conflagrate cause you press it more often, you can macro it to incenerate also. but immolate is like the worst choice aftehr curse of elements and bane of doom 6) you should macro pet attack also in to curse of elements 7) i dont know if you do, but , keybind , keybind and keybind. |
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