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Originally Posted by dansety

All this simulationcraft and everything may be a little usefull, still it's all about doing it right in fights.
And all the fights differ from eachother.

I found for raiding and boss fights the following rotation is the easiest and has a relative high dps flow, however it may not be on top of recount, but you should do 12k dps on bosses easily in blue heroic gear.

Coe >
BoD >
Soulburn+soulfire > if you are a clicker put these 2 together on your bar.
Immolate + Corruption > performed wel, you can cast these almost simultaniously.
Conflagrate
ChaosBolt
Incinerate x 4

Note: whenever soulfire procs hit it!

Originally Posted by kikovsk

I'm realizing that there are a lot of people out there that still have the "rotation" mindset. The "Incinerate x 4" in your list proves that.
No spec in World of Warcraft has a rotation anymore. There is a priority system for everyone. (Although many times you will see people speaking of "rotation" when they really mean "priority system".)
According to current simcraft pros, the optimal priority system for Destruction is the following (simplified):
demon_soul
soulburn, when bloodlust not active
soul_fire, if soulburn buff up and bloodlust down in order to refresh ISF buff
bane_of_doom
immolate
conflagrate
corruption
shadowflame
chaos_bolt
soul_fire, if empowered imp up (note that this is low in the priority, you should not hit it as soon as it procs necessarily)
summon_infernal
soul_fire, if bloodlust down and to refresh ISF buff (hardcasting Soul Fires is also low in the priority as weird as that may be. That means you should pioritize everything above this to refreshing your ISF buff if Soulburn is on CD. This is only true for Destruction though. The other specs want ISF up as much as possible.)
shadowburn, when target health < 20%
incinerate
life_tap, if moving and mana < 80% and mana % < boss health %
fel_flame, if moving
life_tap, to restore mana


People are usually listing Corruption before Conflagrate only because of the lag that takes to Conflagrate to become active after you cast Immolate. That's ok to do, but if Immolate is already on the target and Conflag comes off CD at the same time that Corruption is about to fall off, you should cast Conflag first, it does way more damage than Corruption.

If you want something more simple in order to get used to the priorities, I would recommend removing:
Shadowflame, Shadowburn, Infernal and maybe only refreshing ISF when Soulburn is up. I know Shadowflame is high in the priority, but since you can only use it practically in melee range, I think you can start by ignoring it, although using it is a good DPS increase.
The others, I really don't think they're too hard to manage... You can get an addon to monitor your DoTs and CDs in the same place and it probably won't get too overwhelming. It would look something like this (leaving out life tap and fel flame for simplicity):
demon_soul
soulburn, when bloodlust not active
soul_fire, if soulburn buff up and bloodlust down in order to refresh ISF buff
bane_of_doom
immolate
conflagrate
corruption
chaos_bolt
soul_fire, if empowered imp up (note that this is low in the priority, you should not hit it as soon as it procs necessarily)
incinerate

If you need even more simplifying, remove Chaos Bolt... Although I think it's just a pity. Please do not remove Corruption.

You see what I did there? If you want to simplify a rotation, a good place to start is removing the lower priority stuff (of course that doesn't include your filler) and that is true for every priority system of every class. There are exceptions like Shadowflame, which you can only use in certain circumstances so I don't think it's too bad to remove it.

And really, if you are a clicker, you are doing it wrong. Learn to use your keybinds and spam them to queue your abilities.


You shouldn't use Fel Flame unless while moving. Refreshing Immolate with it and recasting Immolate are very different things. Remember that Fel Flame only extends Immolate for 6s when recasting Immolate entitles you to its full duration.


Not Doomguard, but Infernal, be it an AoE situation or a single target one. And As far as I know you should summon it before BL so that it can benefit from it.

Originally Posted by ocucu

you dont care about the %5crit of "Shadow and Flame" ?