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January 03, 2012, 07:59 AM
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question about burst dps 18 second duration
Hello there, Just say i wanted to kill something as quickly as possible, or i wanted to do the most DPS in an enclosed gap, lets say 18 seconds. I also play with 200 ping. In those 18 seconds I need to apply curse of elements. Is there any way for a max dps rotation for DEMO could be simmed or something along those lines for an 18 second duration? I also would like to figure out when would be the best time to pop 4pce, so popping the felhunter out, the felhunter does do a considerable amount of damage in those 18 seconds aswell so if i pop it early it will get 3 shadow bites in, if i apply dots and pop it for my incin nuke it would only get 1 maybe 2. Which also begs the question that will a felguard do more dps with felstorm in an enclosed gap of time because i can just burn a soul fire for my 4pce adding to the dps. . or maybe is 18 seconds just too short a time period and too RNG depending on crits to do high dps. anything would be appreciated :D |
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January 03, 2012, 10:06 AM
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Shagina 90 Human Warlock Grim Batol Euro PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
The felguard has a higher damage output during those 6 seconds of felstorm, after that it's worth using the global cooldown to summon the felhunter, that should give him shadowbite hits assuming he doesn't have to run too far to reach his target after being summoned. BoD is worth casting over BoA if you cast it early enough to get a tick, so within 3 seconds of engaging. If it's a mob like that thing that holds the plates down on spine, then make sure you already spent the GCD for meta and possible doomguard before it engages. Also, what is your raid comp? If you have someone else applying the magic debuff that frees up a crucial GCD in this case. If you can get into melee range then you get a massive boost from immolation aura and shadowflame. The rest is just your standard rotation, keep corr up, use HoG on cd and just churn out incinerates.
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January 03, 2012, 01:38 PM
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Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
Yeah it is for the tendons on the spine encounter. Yeah meta and all that stuff is up beforehand. I have to apply coe, we are all caster dps, but no boomkin. I mean for an actual rotation, i need to cast hog within the 1st 6 seconds to get a 2nd one in. It's more of a rotation to get the highest damaging spells off as much as possible, so HOG, Shadow bite. But i am curious if adding 10% more spell power to my dots is going to be more dps than my nuke incinerates, thats where the tricky part comes in because the more time the felguard is out the less shadow bites you can get in. So can we assume that 1 shadow bite is equal to 1 felstorm? or is it lower? If it is lower and i burn a soul shard for my 4 pce half way through the tendon i am losing 1 incinerate, but would the damage from the other incinerates be equal to or more than the empowered incins (4pcet13). So in summing that up i guess: For More Damage: - (Scenario 1 )11 incins at non 10% higher SP And in that case 10% higher dot values on Immolate, immo aura, shadowflame corruption and bane of doom AGAINST (Scenario 2) 10 Incins at 10% higher SP I am beginning to think that the damage is going to come down to all rng with crits. For instance on an average tendon burn i will do 850-900k and my felhunter will do 120-160k. That is for scenario 1, I havn't tried scenario 2 yet though. I really need to be pushing combined dps of 1.2-1.3 million for each tendon phase when my cooldowns are up. Thus is why i am asking if a rotation can be simmed. |
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January 03, 2012, 04:06 PM
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shadowboxin 90 Worgen Warlock mannoroth US PvP Guild: /hug Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Affliction Demonology |
Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
well shadowbite has a 6 sec CD, so unless youre able to get one off as soon as the tendon appears (and without the dot multiplers) I would think brostorm + FG demon soul would be highest output, just be sure to get the felpup out with at least 12+ seconds remaining, and he should be able to get 3 in? as far as SIM'ing it, I dont know how to modify those conditions successfully 
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January 03, 2012, 05:29 PM
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Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
Here's my take on each spine fragment: Now I have Demonform/Immo Aura macrod together for less buttons, as the Amalg explodes I use DS:FG and my Firelands rep trinket together, next is Demonform(should be telling your felguard to attack the tendon) - Incin - Immolate - BoD & Corr while running into melee - HoG/Immo Aura - Felstorm/Shadowflame - Incin spam If your raid does not have an UH DK then tell cast CoE while running, but honestly if 8% SP damage is going to make/break or tendon kills then your raid needs to switch faster Demonform is up for all 3, heroism for the 2nd and doomguard for the third. If you have 2pc then use 1 run to find out where your timing is between the first spine and third, as you may be able to push a 2nd doomguard. Last edited by Teon; January 03, 2012 at 05:31 PM.. |
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January 03, 2012, 07:55 PM
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Jesterlock 85 Gnome Warlock Quel'Thalas Euro PvE Guild: Dragons Talent Tree: Demonology Destruction |
Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
i don't know how many cooldowns you can have up for each tendon, but assuming you have everything up, i'd do this precast demonform/immo aura soulburn tendon is up CoE demonleap felguard should already be intercepting or at least hitting the tendon soulfire(instant from the earlier soulburn) then unleash normal "rotation" demonsoul incinerate(or maybe you have a firemage? then you can skip this. hog felstorm immolate shadowflame incinerate spam/hog when it comes up i'm pretty sure putting BoD on an 18 seconds lived target is useless, i'd even skip corruption. haven't done/tried heroic yet, but for normal mode, we use personal cooldowns(engi gloves,short cooldowns) for first tendon, pots for second, and heroism for 3rd. i know you can't kill heroic tendons in one go, but maybe it helps. |
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January 03, 2012, 09:08 PM
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Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
A single tick from BoD for me is 24k +/- depending on buffs. Corruption lasts 18s +/- Haste, so the fact it'll go full duration makes it worth it, especially buffed from DS and Demon Form. By the time you Demon Leap Immo Aura will have already gone through 1/3 of its duration. |
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January 04, 2012, 02:06 AM
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Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
Ok thanks for the replies. I don't think I mentioned it earlier but it is for heroic where every little bit of dps is critical, coe not being up in a 100% caster grp will demolish us. There are 2 tendon burns for 1 plate, i usually get my cds on the 1st one every time, so 1, 3, 5, but depending on procs i will only have meta for the 2nd one. In total there are 6 tendon burns, i get doomguards on the 1st burn and then 5th. I think you will find that bane of doom and corruption add quite a bit of damage for the gcd spent, that's where I am asking the question of which scenario would do the most damage. I know the normal rotation etc, its more about when to pop what. I play with 200 ping so its very tough to get a leap at the precise moment and not waste another gcd. i Do it early and hope it hits it but thats all i can do The group comp is 2 arc mage, ele sham, demo lock, shadowpriest, prot pal, feral tank, resto sham, disc, resto druid. Last edited by chivdoc; January 04, 2012 at 02:12 AM.. |
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January 04, 2012, 03:13 AM
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Re: question about burst dps 18 second duration
Why are your mages still arcane? |
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