Mixed: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer

Ramones · July 09, 2008, 08:40 PM

Character Name: Nubcoil
Armory Link: The World of Warcraft Armory
Talent Build: 5/41/15 for Raids SL/SL for PVP

Quick Info
Health:9641
Mana:8678
+Damage:1041 spell 1143 shadow
+Hit:204
+Crit: 201
Have you read the gearing guide? Yes

Items/Slots in need of immediate upgrade:

Bracers
Boots
Robes/Shoulders (possibly)

Upgrades you are currently working on:
I'm stuck on a few upgrades:
Orb of Soul Eater Vs. Fetish of The Primal Gods
Rityssn's Pendant vs. Vindicator's Pendant of Conquest W/Runed Living Ruby

All about you:
I'm a raider, My guild is 5/6 SSC and 2/4 TK with no attempts on Solarian/Vashj/Kael yet. I love arena PVP and usually do them as sl/sl with a POM/Pyro mage. I'd also like to know if I should go out of my way to keep my 2 piece T4 bonus.
My most important question: DO I HAVE THE STATS FOR 0/21/40

*** info copied in from original thread ***
My guild is currently 5/6 cleared on SSC and 2/4 cleared on TK(attempting solarian soon). I am stuck in a few choices that my friends have been saying I'm wrong about.

My Armory: I'll try to keep it PVE gear and spec for as long as I can, My normal PVE spec is 5/41/15 FG demo I found a large DPS loss as 0/21/40
The World of Warcraft Armory

Here are my questions:

1. Should I keep my 2 piece T4 Bonus or use Mantle of Ill Intent and Either Robe of Hateful Ehcoes or Corrupted Demonsoul Robes?

2. Ritssyn's Pendant Vs. Vindicator's Pendant of Conquest W/ Rune Living Ruby

3. Orb of the Soul Eater vs. Fetish of Primal Gods

4. Should I gem damage/Crit/Haste??

5. Should I go 0/21/40

*** Information added 1334 Minutes and 32 Seconds later... ***

I could really use some feedback. I did some DPS tests at Dr. Boom today and got about 800ish without my pet until I went oom. But my raid DPS is way less for some reason??

spicycurry · July 11, 2008, 01:12 PM

i think you do

Ramones · July 11, 2008, 01:26 PM

Thank you for your extremely productive and helpful response :D

[/sarcasm]

Just to update my post a bit I've been using the warlock DPS spreadsheet to help me out and it's answered a lot of my questions

I've also respecced 21/40 and messed it up because of some annoying guildies

Cynic · July 11, 2008, 01:31 PM

1. T5 shoulders + Demonsoul

2. Guardian's Pendant of Conquest

3. Orb

4. If hit capped, gem 4 haste/5 damage.

5. It's a playstyle thing. You have the stats for it, but the question is.. do you want to?

Barclande · July 11, 2008, 01:36 PM

Just a note about the spread sheet a Dr. Boom testing. These are "perfect" setups. In a raid, you a very likely never going to be in a perfect situation. Lag, movement, threat and switching targets are all things that are likely to bring your DPS down from these tests.

I went destro at about that gear level and did fine. Noticed a huge increase in DPS. I went to 2-3 raids each as cookie cutter Aff, Felguard Demo, Succy Demo and Destro. I got the best DPS out of Destro.

Corrupted Demonsoul Robes are awesome, I love them. Worth giving up 2pcT4, well, I kept Helm and Shoulders, so wouldn't know.

Rittsyn's, especially if you get the robes, since the crit there will make up for the lost crit.

I'd go with Orb.

damage, damage and more damage after you meet reqs for Meta.

I would.

Ramones · July 11, 2008, 01:37 PM

Thank you for your serious response (not sarcasm)

I just got my T5 shoulders last night and I'm getting my Runed Spell-Cuffs first because that PVP gear is killing me, Demsoul robes are definantly next on the list now.

Are you sure about the orb?? The DPS Spreadsheet and most other sources I can find (maxDPS and couple other sites) are saying the fetish.

Bodhisage · July 11, 2008, 01:49 PM

Fetish all the way for Destro imo.

Barclande · July 11, 2008, 02:25 PM

Most sites will say the Fetish because most sites have Haste overrated. It is my opinion that haste is only worthwhile if you can stack the crap out of it, which doesn't really become available until late late T5 and in reality closer to Mid T6 level. Since most of the max DPS sites and spreadsheets are geared towards T6 players, it makes sense that they put such a high priority on haste. You've admitted your a T4/5 raider though. This is just my opinion, and obviously many others disagree with me, but whatever.

spicycurry · July 11, 2008, 08:08 PM

how do i make one of these posts

Ramones · July 17, 2008, 01:25 AM

My gear has been upgraded since my original post.

I'm now kind of stuck on gems... I've read the guides I've used DPS speadsheets and everything says Haste and damage > Crit. I noticed today in SSC that when I crit my place on the meters jumped. I have a 19.93% base crit and about 28% crit when I'm with a boomkin and elemental shaman. The other two locks that beat me in damage are in roughly the same gear but gem more towards crit.

Would it be worth it to gem towards crit??

July 09, 2008, 08:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ramones Registered Character Info Nubcoil 70 Blood Elf Warlock Detheroc US PvP Guild: OG Profile: Talent Spec: 0/21/40	T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer Character Name: Nubcoil *Armory Link:* The World of Warcraft Armory *Talent Build:* 5/41/15 for Raids SL/SL for PVP Quick Info Health:9641 Mana:8678 +Damage:1041 spell 1143 shadow +Hit:204 +Crit: 201 Have you read the gearing guide? Yes Items/Slots in need of immediate upgrade: Bracers Boots Robes/Shoulders (possibly) Upgrades you are currently working on: I'm stuck on a few upgrades: Orb of Soul Eater Vs. Fetish of The Primal Gods Rityssn's Pendant vs. Vindicator's Pendant of Conquest W/Runed Living Ruby All about you: I'm a raider, My guild is 5/6 SSC and 2/4 TK with no attempts on Solarian/Vashj/Kael yet. I love arena PVP and usually do them as sl/sl with a POM/Pyro mage. I'd also like to know if I should go out of my way to keep my 2 piece T4 bonus. My most important question: DO I HAVE THE STATS FOR 0/21/40 * info copied in from original thread * My guild is currently 5/6 cleared on SSC and 2/4 cleared on TK(attempting solarian soon). I am stuck in a few choices that my friends have been saying I'm wrong about. My Armory: I'll try to keep it PVE gear and spec for as long as I can, My normal PVE spec is 5/41/15 FG demo I found a large DPS loss as 0/21/40 The World of Warcraft Armory Here are my questions: 1. Should I keep my 2 piece T4 Bonus or use Mantle of Ill Intent and Either Robe of Hateful Ehcoes or Corrupted Demonsoul Robes? 2. Ritssyn's Pendant Vs. Vindicator's Pendant of Conquest W/ Rune Living Ruby 3. Orb of the Soul Eater vs. Fetish of Primal Gods 4. Should I gem damage/Crit/Haste?? 5. Should I go 0/21/40 * Information added 1334 Minutes and 32 Seconds later... * I could really use some feedback. I did some DPS tests at Dr. Boom today and got about 800ish without my pet until I went oom. But my raid DPS is way less for some reason?? Last edited by Ramones; July 10, 2008 at 12:09 AM.

July 11, 2008, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
spicycurry Lurker Character Info spicycurry 70 Human Warlock norgannon US PvE Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer i think you do

July 11, 2008, 01:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ramones Registered Character Info Nubcoil 70 Blood Elf Warlock Detheroc US PvP Guild: OG Profile: Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer Thank you for your extremely productive and helpful response :D [/sarcasm] Just to update my post a bit I've been using the warlock DPS spreadsheet to help me out and it's answered a lot of my questions I've also respecced 21/40 and messed it up because of some annoying guildies

July 11, 2008, 01:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cynic Member Character Info Cynicism 70 Blood Elf Warlock Kel'Thuzad US PvP Guild: Mooninites Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 27/34/0	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer 1. T5 shoulders + Demonsoul 2. Guardian's Pendant of Conquest 3. Orb 4. If hit capped, gem 4 haste/5 damage. 5. It's a playstyle thing. You have the stats for it, but the question is.. do you want to?

July 11, 2008, 01:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Barclande Member Character Info Barclande 70 Undead Warlock Smolderthorn US PvP Guild: Writhen Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer Just a note about the spread sheet a Dr. Boom testing. These are "perfect" setups. In a raid, you a very likely never going to be in a perfect situation. Lag, movement, threat and switching targets are all things that are likely to bring your DPS down from these tests. I went destro at about that gear level and did fine. Noticed a huge increase in DPS. I went to 2-3 raids each as cookie cutter Aff, Felguard Demo, Succy Demo and Destro. I got the best DPS out of Destro. Corrupted Demonsoul Robes are awesome, I love them. Worth giving up 2pcT4, well, I kept Helm and Shoulders, so wouldn't know. Rittsyn's, especially if you get the robes, since the crit there will make up for the lost crit. I'd go with Orb. damage, damage and more damage after you meet reqs for Meta. I would.

July 11, 2008, 01:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ramones Registered Character Info Nubcoil 70 Blood Elf Warlock Detheroc US PvP Guild: OG Profile: Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer Thank you for your serious response (not sarcasm) I just got my T5 shoulders last night and I'm getting my Runed Spell-Cuffs first because that PVP gear is killing me, Demsoul robes are definantly next on the list now. Are you sure about the orb?? The DPS Spreadsheet and most other sources I can find (maxDPS and couple other sites) are saying the fetish.

July 11, 2008, 01:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bodhisage Member Character Info Bodhisage 70 Human Warlock Gorefiend US PvP Guild: eXcesSivE Talent Spec: 41/0/20	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer Fetish all the way for Destro imo.

July 11, 2008, 02:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Barclande Member Character Info Barclande 70 Undead Warlock Smolderthorn US PvP Guild: Writhen Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer Most sites will say the Fetish because most sites have Haste overrated. It is my opinion that haste is only worthwhile if you can stack the crap out of it, which doesn't really become available until late late T5 and in reality closer to Mid T6 level. Since most of the max DPS sites and spreadsheets are geared towards T6 players, it makes sense that they put such a high priority on haste. You've admitted your a T4/5 raider though. This is just my opinion, and obviously many others disagree with me, but whatever.

July 11, 2008, 08:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
spicycurry Lurker Character Info spicycurry 70 Human Warlock norgannon US PvE Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer how do i make one of these posts

July 17, 2008, 01:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ramones Registered Character Info Nubcoil 70 Blood Elf Warlock Detheroc US PvP Guild: OG Profile: Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: T4/T5 Raider and Arena PVPer My gear has been upgraded since my original post. I'm now kind of stuck on gems... I've read the guides I've used DPS speadsheets and everything says Haste and damage > Crit. I noticed today in SSC that when I crit my place on the meters jumped. I have a 19.93% base crit and about 28% crit when I'm with a boomkin and elemental shaman. The other two locks that beat me in damage are in roughly the same gear but gem more towards crit. Would it be worth it to gem towards crit??