Help: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40)

karalock · June 10, 2008, 07:25 AM

Boss Name: Prince Malchezaar
Report: http://wowwebstats.com/jyyunmct3gmw1?s=10256-16561

Armory Link: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...ane&n=Karalock

Group Make-up: I was in the main tank group (druid tank) and they had me run my Imp to give the tank the STA boost. Also had a tree druid with me but that doesn't help DPS.

Information: This fight showed an interesting problem for me. Even though I had the Imp out, I had to stop DPS'ing a fair amount (it seemed to me) to avoid over aggro'ing.

My rotation was Trinket when I could AND when I was going to DPS.. If I was right on the line with the tank I didn't pop the trinket and took an extra long second between SB's.

So rotation was CoD and immolate as needed and then SB. very basic but I as I said I spent a lot of time either lifetapping (to get mana back up even if I wasn't very low) or just standing there to avoid any more spikes in aggro.

I was thinking about putting up curse of shadow or elements but wasn't sure what that would do with my DPS/total damage for the fight. I wasn't trying to be the top but they bring me along for the damage so.

Is there something I should be doing different to avoid having down time like that or am I just over gearing the tank I'm running with and I just need to slow down?

Morden · June 10, 2008, 07:31 AM

you outgear Argrithal severely, so you need either a paladin in group for salvation, or a shaman with tranquility totem, but either way, your problem is that you are pretty much ready for tier 5ish raids and your tank is starting tier 4

also, subtlety on your cloak will help you as well

Badas · June 10, 2008, 07:31 AM

Most of your DPS will come from SB spam so to reduce your threat I would leave out the immolate and throw up Curse of Shadow's.

Carlinda · June 10, 2008, 08:07 AM

I had a lot of problems managing threat with Curse of Doom because of the large spike of damage - especially if it crit, so I would throw out your Curse of Shadows instead. CoS will definitely make up for your lack in damage from CoDoom. Shadow bolt spam the rest of the time and reapply CoShadows as needed. You'll just have to be patient with your tank, and if you can get a pally in there for Salvation, that'll help immensely.

gunthertaha · June 10, 2008, 08:32 AM

Curse of Doom cannot crit

and yes get the subletly enchant

salv is your best friend

vosfihalo · June 10, 2008, 08:42 AM

I love the opening of the log file:

21:07'21.157 Prince Malchezaar's Swing hits Flotsam for 9717 Physical (crushing)
21:07'21.594 Flotsam dies

So, you pretty much 9-manned it.

tireghali · June 10, 2008, 09:00 AM

/ agree with gunthertaha,

Its always tough to control threat, usually on boss fight i wait till 95%-90% (85% if i get a Spriest) to really dps, the first few sec i just CORR, Immo, you know nothing to crazy then i COS, SB spam, them SoulShatter at around 50-45%, usually it does the trick.

(2.4)Depending on your group, you could just as easy go COE, Immo, Inc spam ... as long as the mages scorch you should be fine, its a way to control you threat ,since you can stop your Inc at any time.

The only good advice i can give you is take your time, build you're threat slowly, don't take you're big guns in the beginning, and don't worry about mages taking the meter ...

oosel · June 10, 2008, 09:47 AM

not sure if it helps but for the first 10%of the damage on this fight our entire raid just wands him the only ones doing any damage what so ever is the 2 tanks after that we open up as usual and them at 70%we pop our trinkets and unleash on him

karalock · June 12, 2008, 06:43 AM

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I need to get that enchant on my cloak for sure.

This is the reguler group i've been "assigned" too so guess I just need to take a step back in damage because it's only going to get worse when I get the spellstrike hat and rune-cuffed bracers. Thanks again.

Debuff · June 12, 2008, 06:48 AM

Something to keep in mind for those that are riding the line on threat is that only your destruction spells (for a 0/21/40 spec) have the threat reduction on them. So don't use either a damaging curse or corruption thinking that you are helping your threat, because it isn't.

Shadowbolt and immolate will give you the most efficient damage per threat point if you are destro. Also, remember that timing a soul shatter for maximum efficiency is an art form and something that you will get better at as you run with a particular tank more and more.

As other's have said above, though, you simple outgeared the tank by a large amount.

June 10, 2008, 07:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
karalock Registered Character Info karalock 70 Gnome Warlock llane US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 19/42/0	Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) Boss Name: Prince Malchezaar Report: http://wowwebstats.com/jyyunmct3gmw1?s=10256-16561 Armory Link: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/ch...ane&n=Karalock Group Make-up: I was in the main tank group (druid tank) and they had me run my Imp to give the tank the STA boost. Also had a tree druid with me but that doesn't help DPS. Information: This fight showed an interesting problem for me. Even though I had the Imp out, I had to stop DPS'ing a fair amount (it seemed to me) to avoid over aggro'ing. My rotation was Trinket when I could AND when I was going to DPS.. If I was right on the line with the tank I didn't pop the trinket and took an extra long second between SB's. So rotation was CoD and immolate as needed and then SB. very basic but I as I said I spent a lot of time either lifetapping (to get mana back up even if I wasn't very low) or just standing there to avoid any more spikes in aggro. I was thinking about putting up curse of shadow or elements but wasn't sure what that would do with my DPS/total damage for the fight. I wasn't trying to be the top but they bring me along for the damage so. Is there something I should be doing different to avoid having down time like that or am I just over gearing the tank I'm running with and I just need to slow down?

June 10, 2008, 07:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
Morden Member Character Info Bellamorte 70 Human Warlock Shadowsong Euro PvE Guild: Legion of Discord Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) you outgear Argrithal severely, so you need either a paladin in group for salvation, or a shaman with tranquility totem, but either way, your problem is that you are pretty much ready for tier 5ish raids and your tank is starting tier 4 also, subtlety on your cloak will help you as well

June 10, 2008, 07:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
Badas Lurker Character Info Badas 70 Human Warlock Proudmoore US PvE Guild: Tranquility Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) Most of your DPS will come from SB spam so to reduce your threat I would leave out the immolate and throw up Curse of Shadow's.

June 10, 2008, 08:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Carlinda Member Character Info Carlinda 70 Gnome Warlock Daggerspine US PvP Guild: Crimson Dragoons Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/3/17	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) I had a lot of problems managing threat with Curse of Doom because of the large spike of damage - especially if it crit, so I would throw out your Curse of Shadows instead. CoS will definitely make up for your lack in damage from CoDoom. Shadow bolt spam the rest of the time and reapply CoShadows as needed. You'll just have to be patient with your tank, and if you can get a pally in there for Salvation, that'll help immensely.

June 10, 2008, 08:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
gunthertaha Member Character Info Malbrax 70 Human Warlock Greymane US PvE Guild: Council Of Nine Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) Curse of Doom cannot crit and yes get the subletly enchant salv is your best friend

June 10, 2008, 08:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
vosfihalo Member Character Info vosfi 70 Gnome Warlock Archimonde US PvP Guild: The Revolution Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) I love the opening of the log file: 21:07'21.157 Prince Malchezaar's Swing hits Flotsam for 9717 Physical (crushing) 21:07'21.594 Flotsam dies So, you pretty much 9-manned it.

June 10, 2008, 09:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
tireghali Registered Character Info tireghali 70 Human Warlock frostmane US PvP Guild: Eternal Gardians Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) / agree with gunthertaha, Its always tough to control threat, usually on boss fight i wait till 95%-90% (85% if i get a Spriest) to really dps, the first few sec i just CORR, Immo, you know nothing to crazy then i COS, SB spam, them SoulShatter at around 50-45%, usually it does the trick. (2.4)Depending on your group, you could just as easy go COE, Immo, Inc spam ... as long as the mages scorch you should be fine, its a way to control you threat ,since you can stop your Inc at any time. The only good advice i can give you is take your time, build you're threat slowly, don't take you're big guns in the beginning, and don't worry about mages taking the meter ...

June 10, 2008, 09:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
oosel Member Character Info oosel 70 Gnome Warlock darkspear Euro PvE Guild: carnagekings Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) not sure if it helps but for the first 10%of the damage on this fight our entire raid just wands him the only ones doing any damage what so ever is the 2 tanks after that we open up as usual and them at 70%we pop our trinkets and unleash on him

June 12, 2008, 06:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
karalock Registered Character Info karalock 70 Gnome Warlock llane US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 19/42/0	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) Thanks everyone for the feedback. I need to get that enchant on my cloak for sure. This is the reguler group i've been "assigned" too so guess I just need to take a step back in damage because it's only going to get worse when I get the spellstrike hat and rune-cuffed bracers. Thanks again.

June 12, 2008, 06:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
Debuff Subscriber Character Info Debuff 70 Orc Warlock Sargeras US PvP Guild: Fenrir Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: Kara - Prince - shadow (0/21/40) Something to keep in mind for those that are riding the line on threat is that only your destruction spells (for a 0/21/40 spec) have the threat reduction on them. So don't use either a damaging curse or corruption thinking that you are helping your threat, because it isn't. Shadowbolt and immolate will give you the most efficient damage per threat point if you are destro. Also, remember that timing a soul shatter for maximum efficiency is an art form and something that you will get better at as you run with a particular tank more and more. As other's have said above, though, you simple outgeared the tank by a large amount.